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ZippyTheChicken /r/ota
6 points
1970-01-19 04:15:07.785 +0000 UTC

where are you? Chester County?

6 philly is difficult to get under most conditions

if you really want it you will need a full sized antenna that is about 9 feet wide and 9 feet long

the antenna you chose is a high vhf antenna the same as the one in the attic.. the longest distance from tip to tip on the widest rear dipoles is under 30 inches I am guessing.

so like background..

UHF Signals only require an 8 inch dipole so basically any antenna can get UHF stations that are broadcast on 14 and above

channel 7 to 13 is high VHF ... so whyy is high vhf since its on 12

VHF High 7 requires about a 30 inch dipole

2 is the lowest VHF Station WDPN is on 2... WPVI is on 6

Channel 2 requires a 110 wide dipole and

http://www.rfcafe.com/references/radio-news/images4/yagi-antenna-radio-tv-news-october-1952-2.jpg

there is a reference chart of how wide a antenna dipole has to be to pickup a specific station.

now you say well thats not always true because I can have a smaller antenna and pick up some stations.. and you are right but that only happens when the signal is good... when the signal sucks you have to use the full length antenna

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3036WZ-Outdoor-Element-113/dp/B0027VST0I/

that is the antenna you need unfortunately

I have 2 of them

putting your antenna outside is going to dramatically improve your reception so maybe the one you have will work better outside if you point it at roxborough where the broadcast towers are.

if not you can buy a small one like you selected but I would get it at home depot or lowes and expect to return it..

and when all else fails you will need to look for a much larger antenna

the RCA one i listed is ok ... like I said i have 2 but that price is $25 high .. and then channelmaster and others make good large antennas.. maybe you can find a sale or lower price.

ZippyTheChicken /r/ota
1 point
1970-01-18 21:03:15.57 +0000 UTC

this is the most basic antenna that will perform well from low vhf to uhf spectrum...

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3036WZ-Outdoor-Element-113/dp/B0027VST0I

its because the dipoles are at specific lengths that pickup all of the frequencies ... the longer the dipole the lower the channel it can pick up... UHF over 14 is approximately 8 inches and you can see that the channel master and antenna I pointed out have v shaped dipoles that are about 8 inches

The medium sized antennas like this one

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0024R4B5C

the first 3 elements are known as collectors.. they guide signal into the first dipole which is your UHF Dipole... then you have dipoles behind that which pick up VHF down to channel 7..

the lower you go the longer the minimum dipole length needs to be.. channel 2 is the longest

But if you have really high signals there are people that live in the city or just a couple miles from towers... they actually bend a paperclip and stick it in their Coax port and can pickup everything... if you had like 65nmdb and a house that wasn't blocking signal .. bricks, aluminum siding.. heat reflective moisture barriers can block signal.. even my refrigerator was blocking signal when i tested in my house before putting in my attic.

so you can get all get all the channels on a yagi antenna its just that they are 9 feet long and 9 feet wide and no one wants to deal with them

ZippyTheChicken /r/ota
1 point
1970-01-18 19:02:18.473 +0000 UTC

I get good steady signals from cities 60+ miles away and I have picked up stations over 100 miles away but it is very rare.. maybe once a month for an evening.

All of the antennas you linked to are not long distance antennas.. for that you need a full size antenna and a strong amplifier

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3036WZ-Outdoor-Element-113/dp/B0027VST0I

https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-CM-7777-Antenna-Preamplifier/dp/B000GGKOG8

and you would need to mount that as high as you possibly can.. on a roof or maybe on a free standing antenna tower. however I am not saying you will get 100 miles with that setup.. probably less.. but you will get 60-70 miles pretty well.

ZippyTheChicken /r/ota
1 point
1970-01-18 20:52:43.623 +0000 UTC

you should get two antennas

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3036WZ-Outdoor-Element-113/dp/B0027VST0I

the one pointing north you want to put an amplifier on

if you don't want to buy two right away then buy the one and an amplifier and point it north and you may still pickup the ones to the south

ZippyTheChicken /r/ota
1 point
1970-01-19 04:04:00.289 +0000 UTC

Fox is coming in poor to your area but its not that far away

I expect that their antenna is pointed away from you and or there are other problems like hills

fox is also a VHF station and although technically a High VHF station take my word for it you need a large full sized VHF antenna to get any weak VHF stations.

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3036WZ-Outdoor-Element-113/dp/B0027VST0I

that is probably what you need if you have any hope of getting FOX

ZippyTheChicken /r/ota
3 points
1970-01-20 00:23:55.524 +0000 UTC

ok so most of your signals are coming from the southwest at an average of about 215°

You will need an outdoor and very large antenna and you will need a powerful amplifier

The higher you can get your antenna the better.. even 10 feet can make a reasonable difference

You won't be getting very much signal from an indoor or attic antenna

Fox wtic is a weaker signal but the antenna is pointed in your direction

ION is also somewhat pointed in your direction

CBS is pretty much omni directional (all directions) but its very strong at its source

so it is possible

I am 60 miles out in 2 directions...

I run two large 10 foot yagi type antennas with 30db amplifiers in my attic.. they should really be on my roof or on a 40 foot tower but nope...

I also have higher signal levels than you do

WGGB your strongest good station which is ABC FOX CourtTV in your area is Pointed Away From You

WGBY your strongest station is VHF and pointed away from you

So i think you do have good factors which will allow you to run a large antenna and a strong amplifier and point it to about 215° and get a number of stations.

you can hire someone for probably about $100-200 to install your antenna and run a wire into your home and ground it.. and install a preamplifier for you...

you buy the parts and they will install it..

a company that installs dishes would be your best bet.

I would suggest a setup including

An Antenna Like this
https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3036WZ-Outdoor-Element-113/dp/B0027VST0I/

and an amplifier like this

https://www.channelmaster.com/products/amplify-adjustable-gain-preamplifier-cm-7777hd

set it to 30db to start

and if you expect to feed more than one device in your home then use a distribution amplifier

https://www.channelmaster.com/collections/antenna-amplifiers/products/ultra-mini-4-tv-antenna-amplifier-cm-3414

and I would use a roof tripod to mount the antenna at the top of your roof or I would attach it to your chimney if you have a large brick chimney and use a set of specially made antenna mounting straps and a 10 foot pole to clear your roof line and get it up as high as your can.

Seems extreme... and with those local higher power stations it might be too much but those stations are pointed away from you and they are still low enough in power that the antenna and amps I suggest should bring you in below the overload range which is about 90db total power

your strongest station is 47db

antenna = 12db
preamp = 30db can reduce to 17db
distribution amp = 8db gain

minimum of 4db loss with your cables and setup

gain over estimated local is 12+ 30+ 8 -4 +47 = 89db or preamp at 17db = 76db

so at max you might maybe be at 89db estimated on that one station and you could drop the preamp to 17db output and be at 76db

but those stations are at 245 and you're pointing at 215 so thats going to drop their signal on top of them being pointed southwest not northeast ...

I think that system is your best bet

now you can change that antenna for something very similar if you want to go with a Channel Master Antenna like a $250 Masterpiece 100 CM-5020 that is probably one of the best antenna you can get but it is huge and bulky but its great or you could go with a Channel Master CM-3671 Ultra-Hi Crossfire Outdoor TV Antenna for $300 and you won't find better,

but for $200 less that RCA antenna is really not bad and its light enough to not be insane to install

so ..

but that is your system if you want to build it

OzarkBeard /r/ota
1 point
1970-01-20 00:25:22.472 +0000 UTC

An Antenna Like this

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3036WZ-Outdoor-Element-113/dp/B0027VST0I/

That antenna has extra-wide elements tuned for LOW-VHF, which the OP does not have in his area. As such, there are other fringe antennas that are better suited for the (VHF-HI + UHF) channels on his rabbitears report. One example: https://winegard.com/products/hdtv-digital-antennas/vhf-uhf-antennas/platinum-hd-series/platinum-series-hd7698p

ZippyTheChicken /r/ota
3 points
1970-01-19 21:53:39.295 +0000 UTC

what type of setup are you looking to put in?

with a roof or attic antenna I would point it towards 84degrees magnetic and your stronger stations from other directions should come in without a problem

I would use a full sized antenna like a RCA 3036wz so that you can get VHF Stations Better

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3036WZ-Outdoor-Element-113/dp/B0027VST0I

and I would use a preamplifier like the CM7777HD that is adjustable gain.. most likely you can use it on 30db setting but if not you have the option to drop back to 17db

then if you have a number of TVs in the house use a distribution amplifier to take the single wire from the antenna and feed it to the rest of the rooms.

https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-Distribution-Amplifier-Antenna/dp/B001PI09SE

that should get you a good selection of stations

ZippyTheChicken /r/ota
0 points
1970-01-19 06:57:20.185 +0000 UTC

I was thinking trenton too

You have amazing signal so thats not your problem and using an amplifier is not going to help... well it could but only as a last resort.

are you running a single cable off the back of the antenna to your homerun?

have you tried hooking straight to a TV instead of the homerun sometimes homerun tuners suck and a tv will pick up everything

what kind of splitters are you using if you aren't running a single wire to your homerun?

splitters eat a lot of signal.. one that has 1 in 2 out will cut half your power.. one with more outs cuts it even worse maybe you are getting 25% of the power if you had something like a 5 port out splitter.

you can't run your antenna on a live cabletv coax if you are getting internet off of cable and trying to merge them both.

if you have metal infront of the antenna or stone or brick that will block the signal you should try to get the antenna to the side of the attic with a vertical wall and point it through that wall which is just plywood and siding... aluminum vapor barriers can also cause signal problems .. sometimes they are on the slope of the roof under the shingles or on the sidewalls of the house..

house across the street is ok .. but house right next to you might also block your signal.

umm..

Like I said i am over 65 miles out and I run a large antenna and a strong amp and I pickup a lot of stations...

https://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT3036WZ-Outdoor-Element-113/dp/B0027VST0I

with your signal strength you should be able to use an antenna like that which i have also and pickup everything without an amp that is coming from the 260 magnetic direction

its 9 foot wide and 9 foot long and it was difficult for me to put up in the attic but i got it pointed ok.. I actually have two of them .. one pointed at philly one pointed at baltimore and I pickup stations from Philly Baltimore and the DC area pretty well

once you find out if you can get signal on a single tv and if you have more tvs then you can think about a distribution amplifier .. they just boost the signal about 4db enough so you aren't losing any signal by using unpowered splitters .. i have an 8port and I power 4 rooms ... a single wire runs to the distribution amp and then single wires run to each room out of the distribution amp.. you may not need one.

so yeah i am betting your antenna can't pickup the stations or you have interference because of the material your roof is made out of.. normal shingle roof shouldn't be a problem..

if you want to try running a smaller antenna you should still use one that is of the same style..

Something cheap like this might work .. i also have one of theses.. it won't get you channel 6abc or 2

https://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-HOMEWORX-HDTV-Outdoor-Antenna/dp/B01C1YL16Y/

the thing is the lower stations WFMZ WPVI WDPN are all VHF Stations so you need a really wide dipole rod to pick up these channels..

The mediasonic is really only rated for high VHF which starts at 7 and goes to 13 ... it has about a 30 inch wide dipole on it

for channel 2 you need the 9 foot wide one heh .. it sucks but sometimes if you have strong signal a smaller antenna will work

The antenna you have right now is suppose to be for UHF which is 8 inches wide and then for VHF high which is like that mediasonic one

SO BEST BET.. get yourself a big fucking antenna like I did heh

For antennas bigger is always better.

and Fox29 is at 64db now... if you tried an amp you would probably overload your tv tuner or homerun tuner.. which maxes out between 85 and 92db

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SO FIRST THING FOR YOU... recheck your direction.. take note of any metal or wires or motors / furnace .. whatever that might be blocking your signals

Next.. run a wire right to your tv see if you get better results

after that ... you have options to consider.

but yeah you have tons of signal if nothing is blocking it too much you should be able to work this out and get tons of stations.