I picked up a pair of these recently. The padding is better than the expensive team bibs I have, which is nice for the days that I'm sore. Considering they're ΒΌ the price of the team bibs, I can buy three more if the wear faster before I am losing $. Of course, I still need team bibs if I want to race on the team, but I bought these because I was running out of them indoors.