There's a pair of Shrivers in 10s in cj beauty on Amazon.

You know your stuff. Could you explain the "goodyear welted" as opposed to "cemented"? I guess whatever the difference is, the former doesn't work with platforms--that's the only logic I see.

Anyway, as I mentioned below, went in for the last pair of burgundy Leonas. So do they, in "vintage smooth" scuff worse, or is it a rub off effect?

Not sure I like them as much as the Shrivers, but we'll see! Talked with someone at the Seattle store and she confirmed what you said: basically the main difference between the two (other than color selection) is the hook fastening/mountain climbing look of the Leonas.

Thanks for all the info, seriously.