Bluetooth is fine for the convenience of wireless headphones.
Or spend $50 less for the version of the AT-LP120X without Bluetooth and buy a $40 to $100 headphone amp if you won't have a stereo or AV receiver or speaker amp with a headphone jack for wired headphone use.
Do you also plan to listen with speakers, which model?
Turntable alternatives that add a solid MDF plinth and have lower wow and flutter:
Maybe it's a Numark or ION.
Turntables that add adjustable tracking force, a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, a speed switch, include a cue lever, and have a removable head shell:
Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO $449 demo or $479 open box has better quality components than the AT and Fluance. The head shell is not removable.
Or get a good 70s vintage turntable.
The $200 Sony PS-LX310BT is not any better than the AT-LP60X which you can buy for $83. Both are easy setup beginner plug and play and lack adjustable tracking force.
If must have fully automatic then go a step up to the better AT-LP3 $157 that adds adjustable tracking force and a removable cartrdige. Balance the tonearm then set the tracking force.
Or if you don't need automatic then the better manual AT-LPW30TK $219.
Next step up is the Fluance RT82 $299 with auto stop. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better.
Plus speakers, scroll down past the turntables for starter powered speakers (Monoprice, Insignia, Dayton or Edifiers). Or keep scrolling down for better passive speakers plus and amp or receiver starting with 5.25" Sony SSCS5 $199 $99 on sale plus a mini amp (3.5mm input instead of RCA so get the correct cable or adapter) or a stereo receiver.
Or what is a nearby town or zip code I can search for used speaker options? Reply here or chat or message.
It's usable but not great. You can do better for less, or way better for the same money.
https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LPW30TK-Manual-Belt-Drive-Turntable/dp/B07Q7TBNCM?th=1
https://www.musicdirect.com/equipment/speakers/wharfedale-diamond-220-bookshelf-speakers-pair
https://www.amazon.com/Fosi-Audio-Amplifier-Professional-Speakers/dp/B08MJBG53V
Buy these three.
https://www.amazon.com/75-Watt-Powered-Bookshelf-Speakers-Bluetooth/dp/B08LV4SMH9
Or switch out the speakers and amp for these Neumis to bring the price down.
AT-LPW30TK $195 on sale has a built in phono preamp.
JDS Labs Atom Headphone Amp $99 has a 2 input switch or that Music Hall looks good, thanks u/vinylontubes!
Here you go.
https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LPW30TK-Manual-Belt-Drive-Turntable/dp/B07Q7TBNCM
https://www.amazon.com/Fosi-Audio-Amplifier-Professional-Speakers/dp/B08MJBG53V
https://www.amazon.com/ELAC-Debut-Bookshelf-Speakers-Black/dp/B07B4Q5588
Or
https://www.amazon.com/Wharfedale-5025941156901-Diamond-220-Walnut/dp/B00TYN3EUC
AT-LPW30TK from the AT outlet store should be as good as new and trouble free or new is only $25 more from Amazon.
What is your speaker budget?
Speakers also under $200:
Turntables:
Plus powered speakers from Amazon if you have return credit there if that is where the turntable was from. They have analog audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth for streaming digital music:
Compact 4" mid bass driver speakers for a small room or a desktop setup:
Larger 5.25" mid bass driver speakers for a small to medium size room:
Turntable: AT-LPW30TK $249 $199.
Plus powered speakers with RCA input for the turntable and Bluetooth for streaming digital music:
5.25" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small to medium size room:
4" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small room or desktop setup:
Which models are all the Sonos speakers you have?
The only Sonos speaker with an audio cable input is the Five. The Port and Amp to use with a pair of powered or passive speakers have audio cable inputs. Or a few of the newer Sonos speakers have Bluetooth if you must use Bluetooth so you would connect a Bluetooth transmitter to a turntable or phono preamp.
You don't necessarily need a turntable with a built in phono preamp. You can connect a small inexpensive phono preamp to a turntable without a built in phono preamp.
The Fluance RT82 is the one to get from your list. Connect a $33 Bozak phono preamp that is likely better than the one built into the RT81 or other turntables or the $99 iFi Zen Air Phono if you will be upgrading from Sonos to better speakers now or later.
Or the AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 on sale with a built in phono preamp is a good value.
Pass on the T1 that lacks user adjustable anti-slake and a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment.
Pass on the U-Turn Orbit that lacks user adjustable anti-skate, lacks a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, lacks a speed switch so you need to move the belt to the other pulley to change the speed which sometimes has issues, the cue lever is an extra $40, and adding options to increase the cost does not make the turntable itself, the tonearm and motor, any better.
Also try contacting Amazon and tell them the stylus arrived damaged. They may send you a new stylus or refund you the cost.
Or they may want you to exchange for another turntable however you don't have to. However you could take the opportunity to upgrade to the AT-LP30TK for $199 on sale.
Avoid cheap suitcases and all in ones.
What do you currently listen to CDs with?
For vinyl and CD, get a component turntable and a component CD player, connect both to a pair of powered speakers or a stereo or AV receiver or integrated amp that powers passive speakers. You can often find a used CD or DVD/CD player on Craigslist or at thrift shops for $20 to $50. What is a nearby town or zip code I can search for used options? Reply here or chat.
Setups starting around your $250 budget:
Turntables:
Automatic starter turntable with a built in phono stage preamp:
Better manual turntable with a built in phono preamp:
Plus powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable and Bluetooth for streaming digital audio:
5.25" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small to medium size room:
4" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small room or desktop setup:
Turntables:
Speakers with Bluetooth:
5.25" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small to medium size room:
4" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small room or desktop setup and both add a subwoofer output:
$200 turntable: AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 has lower wow and flutter than the AT-LP120X and adds a solid MDF plinth.
Under $200 turntable and speakers:
AT-LP60X $149 $105 has automatic playback and is easy setup beginner plug and play if you need those features.
AT-LP3 $199 with automatic playback adds adjustable tracking force and a removable cartridge. Balance the tonearm then set the tracking force.
AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 is manual, has lower wow and flutter and has an upgraded cartridge.
AT-LP60X $149 $105 has automatic playback and is easy setup beginner plug and play if you need those features.
For $50 more than the AT-LP60X at Amazon consider the better manual AT-LPW30TK $199 that adds adjustable tracking force and has lower wow and flutter.
Do you already have speakers or do you need those too?
Your turntable and speaker budget is $400?
Pass on the Orbit with phono preamp at $269, it lacks a bunch of features and the cue lever costs another $40 for a total of $309.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 on sale with a built in phono preamp is a better value since it includes a cue lever, adds a speed switch (instead of moving the belt to the other pulley which sometimes has issues on the Oribit), adds adjustable anti-skate, adds a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment and includes a better updated cartridge.
Pass on the basic 4" Edifier R1280T powered speakers that lack some features.
Better larger 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 add Bluetooth for streaming digital music plus a digital optical input.
If you want smaller 4" speakers for a small room then go a step up from Edifier R1280T:
Which subwoofer? You will be controlling the volume of the speakers and subwoofer separately?
Or instead of the Denon consider the Fluance RT82 $299 + Bozak Phono Preamp $33 that has a standard dust cover, includes a better stylus and cartridge and the phono preamp could be at least a bit better or more than the one built into the Denon.
Or even the AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 has a standard dust cover and an updated cartrdige plus a built in phono preamp.
Under budget, automatic AT-LP60X $149 $105 is easy setup beginner plug and play.
Worthwhile over budget, manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 adds a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force, has lower wow and flutter, has an updated cartridge and a solid MDF plinth.
The AT-LP60X is the cheapest turntable that isn’t a ripoff.
$105 refurbished:
https://outlet.audio-technica.com/turntables
If you don't need automatic playback then a better turntable is the manual AT-LPW30TK that adds a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force, lower wow and flutter, an updated cartridge and a solid MDF plinth. Balance the tonearm then set the tracking force.
$199 new:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q7TBNCM
If you do need automatic playback then the AT-LP3 adds a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force over the AT-LP60X.
$199 new:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N6YK1GA
Thanks to https://www.reddit.com/r/turntables/comments/13xnvny/atlp60xbtusb_vs_atlp60xbt/jmi4tt6/ for current options and prices.
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If the Crosley was a cheap suitcase or all in one did you replace the cheap stylus after 30 hours after the sound degraded or did you install a better 300 hour diamond tip styuls?
If your records played fine at the record shop on a better turntable than the Crosley and VRPO then the issue may still be your turntable.
The VPRO is a good value if low on budget and is better than a suitcase or all in one however it's still not considered anything all that great and may have some noticeable wow and flutter or speed variation or maybe you got a dud, it can happen from Victrola that can have poor quailty control.
no longer willing to spend hundreds of dollars on equipment
All it should take is $105 to $195, not hundreds more, if you can return the VPRO.
Most anything from Audio Technica should be better with better quailty control than the Crosley and VPRO.
The automatic AT-LP60X $149 $105 is easy setup beginner plug and play so there is little to mess up.
The better manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 with a better tonearm importantly adds adjustable tracking force and then has lower wow and flutter and speed variation.
Or the lower cost manual Insignia $129 adds an optical speed sensor and also has adjustable tracking force, however the quailty control may not be as decent as Audio Technica though you can do easy returns or exchanges at Best Buy if you have one nearby.
Turntable alternatives that have lower wow and flutter and add a solid MDF plinth over the AT-LP120X:
AT-LPW30TK $199 is a better value, has a good to start with conical tip stylus, optionally now or later install the $49 AT-VMN95E stylus that the AT-LP120X has or a step up to the $99 AT-VMN95EN gets you to the level of the Ortofon 2M Blue.
Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop. Includes the Ortofon OM10 cartridge that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Plus a $50 to $100 phono preamp that will be a step up from the basic $20 value phono preamps built into the AT-LP120X or AT-LPW30TK.
Looks to be out of stock at TTL so they may not have another one to send you https://www.turntablelab.com/products/audio-technica-at-lpw30tk-manual-belt-drive-turntable-teak
Order form Amazon with 30 day returns and you can often easy return it at Khols or UPS if you need to https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LPW30TK-Manual-Belt-Drive-Turntable/dp/B07Q7TBNCM
What models are you speaker amplification and speakers?
The AT-LP3 does add adjustable tracking force and a removable cartridge however out of the box it's not really going to sound all that much better since it has a similar stylus and cartridge and similar wow and flutter and speed variation as the AT-LP60X.
You can upgrade both the AT-LP60X and AT-LP3 to an elliptical tip stylus.
You can upgrade the cartridge on the AT-LP3 however by the time you do that you may as well start with a better turntable that will already include a better stylus and cartridge.
A better AT and manual turntable is the AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 that has lower wow and flutter, adds a solid MDF plinth and has an updated cartridge.
Most manual turntables have a cue lever to gently lower the stylus onto the record for you. Then leaving the stylus running in the run out groove for 5 to 10 minutes or even 30 minutes once in a while is not going to hurt anything.
The manual Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop if you need it. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better.
Next worthwhile step up is the Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO $479 open box that has better quality components. Optionally get the Q-Up tonearm lifter if you need it sometimes.
Connect either the RT82 or EVO to a phono preamp or an amp or receiver that has a Phono input to the built in phono preamp.
That list is 8 years out of date.
Pass on the Orbit that lacks user adjustable anti-skate, lacks a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, lacks a speed switch so you need to move the belt to the other pulley which can sometimes have belt issues, the cue lever is another $40 and adding options to increase the cost does not make the turntable itself, the tonearm and motor, any better.
Turntables with the features that the Orbit is missing:
Do you already have any speakers?
What is your turntable or turntable an speaker budget?
A step up from the AT0LP60 is the AT-LPW30TK $329 $195.
Plus 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth for streaming digital audio.
Starter turntables:
Better manual turntable: AT-LPW30TK $329 $195.
Plus powered speakers with analog audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth for streaming audio:
Compact 4" mid bass driver speakers for a small room or a desktop setup:
Larger 5.25" mid bass driver speakers for a small to medium size room:
Or start with the better Neumi speakers first for digital music then add the better AT-lPW30TK turntable later.
House of Marley Stir It Up Wireless Bluetooth Turntable for $249?
Return it and get the better AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 on sale.
Or the automatic AT-LP60X $149 $105 is easy setup beginner plug and play.
If buying new:
Pass on the U-Turn Orbit that lacks user adjustable anti-skate, lacks a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, lacks a speed switch so you need to move the belt to the other pulley to change the speed which sometimes has issues, and the cue lever is an extra $40.
Pass on the used Audio Technica AT-LP120 at $225.
Ask r/turntables about the other used turntables.
Good price. What will you be powering the speakers with?
Turntable under $200: AT-LPW30TK $329 $195.
If the AT-LP60 is working fine then it's fine to start with.
The $500 Project A1 Automat is rather pricey for what it is compared to turntables with better performance and adjustments that cost hundreds less.
Any particular reason you need fully automatic?
AT-LP3 $249 $199 adds adjustable tracking force and a removable cartridge over the AT-LP60 if you must have fully automatic playback.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 is a better manual turntable that adds a solid MDF plinth, has lower wow and flutter and speed variation and includes an updated cartrdige.
Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better.
Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO $449+ demo or open box is the Project to get if you want a Project and it has much better quality components than the A1.
Audio-Technica AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 adds a solid MDF plinth and has lower wow and flutter than the AT-LP3 and AT-LP120X and also includes a new stylus, a new belt, and a warranty over a used AT turntable.
Andover Spin Deck lacks user adjustable anti-skate and a rotary dial on the tracking force adjsutment.
The Fluance to buy is the newer improved RT82 that adds an optical sensor speed controlled motor for much lower wow and flutter and speed variation and the speed won't drift since the sensor is monitoring the speed 400 times a second.
What is the rest of your setup, which model speakers and amplification?
Manual turntables if you don't need fully automatic:
The Fluance RT82 $299 with auto stop adds an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for low wow and flutter and speed variation and the speed won't drift since the sensor is monitoring the speed 400 times a second. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Connect the RT82 to a Bozak or iFi Zen Air phono preamp and a Bluetooth Transmitter.
If you want lower cost around the cost of the AT-LP60X then the manual Insignia Turntable $129 also adds an optical speed sensor controlled motor. It has a built in phono preamp and a built in Bluetooth transmitter.
Or the better Monoprice Turntable $199 also has a built in phono preamp and a built in Bluetooth transmitter.
Or the also better AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 has a built in phono preamp then connect it to a Bluetooth Transmitter.
Maybe once or twice a month
Basic setup for a small room:
Better setup for a small to medium size room:
Do you already have speakers or do you also need speakers to fit in the $250 budget or a higher $350 or $500 budget with speakers?
Fluance turntables have a "classic" style and auto stop:
Or the AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 with a light wood finish slots in between the RT80/81 and RT82 and has a built in phono preamp.
No. Not directly you would need a separate phono preamp. An RCA cable is included with the RT82.
Questions:
Pass on Pyle and get a better Denon or Yamaha if you want an AV receiver.
The RT82 > AV Receiver $299+ with a built in phono preamp via the Phono input.
Or RT82 > Bozak $33 or iFi Zen Air $99 phono preamp > AV receiver without a built in phono preamp $229 to $279.
Or the AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 has a built in phono preamp > AV receiver without a built in phono preamp $229 to $279.
Or if you will never be adding more than 2 speakers, 2 channel stereo receiver or integrated amp with a built in phono preamp:
AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 has a built in phono preamp.
5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable and Bluetooth for streaming digital music.
Or a mini amp plus passive speakers and speaker wire.
Or what is a nearby town or zip code I can search for used speaker options? Reply here or chat.
Nice upgrade! How do the Towers II sound?
If you want to try an upgrade to elliptical tip stylus, Pfanstiehl 4211-DE $27 shipped however it may only be a minor difference from the stock conical tip stylus.
You may also want to upgrade from the turntable or receivers basic built in phono preamp to an external phono preamp such as the $99 iFi Zen AIR Phono.
Or instead of the Fluance RT82 the AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 with an updated cartridge over the one on the AT-LP60X and good conical tip stylus then optionally now or later a stylus upgrade to $49 AT-VMN95E elliptical tip or $99 AT-VMN95EN nude elliptical. Though the Fluance RT82 does add the convenient auto stop. However leaving the stylus running in the run out groove with the AT-LPW30TK for 5 to 10 minutes or even 30 minutes once in awhile won't hurt anything.
AT-LP60X plus Edifier R1280 are a common starter setup for a smallish size room.
Turntables:
Plus powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable and Bluetooth for digital streaming audio:
Turntable:
AT-LP60X $149 $105 is easy setup beginner plug and play with automatic playback.
Better turntable $60 over budget but very worthwhile is the AT-LPW30TK $199.
Speakers:
Pass on the Micca speakers that lack features and are best for computer use on a desk.
Larger 5.25" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small to medium size room:
Or 4" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small room or desktop setup:
AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 has a built in phono preamp and is plenty good for Sony speakers. Optionally at some point or when the included AT-VMN95C stylus wears out and it's time to replace it upgrade to the $49 AT-VMN95E stylus or if you later upgrade your speakers and phono preamp the $99 AT-VMN95EN.
Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop and then an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for low wow and flutter and speed variation. Includes the OM10 cartrdige that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Plus a phono preamp. Technolink is $49 plus shipping or over budget $99 iFi Zen AIR Phono.
Turntables:
Plus wired powered speakers with an audio cable input for the turntable and Bluetooth for streaming digital audio:
Compact 4" mid bass driver speakers for a small room or a desktop setup:
Larger 5.25" mid bass driver speakers for a small to medium size room:
Wired and Wireless:
Better value turntables with lower wow and flutter and solid MDF plinths:
Speaker amplification for passive speakers:
Plus better passive speakers on sale:
Or floor standing towers, then you don't need to buy or build speaker stands:
Plus speaker wire, pure copper oxygen free 16 AWG or optional thicker 14 AWG. Then How To Strip Speaker Wire and How to Install Speaker Wire.
Or what is a nearby town or zip code I can search for a used amp and used speakers? Reply here or chat.
The LG is an inexpensive shelf stereo system, it's not anything good.
Check if the AT-LP60 may need a new $15 stylus and a new $15 belt, not really worth buying if it does.
Maybe try a $100 offer for the setup if you can't afford anything better.
Better setup:
Turntables:
Plus starter powered speakers with analog audio cable input for the turntable and Bluetooth for streaming digital audio:
5.25" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small to medium size room:
4" mid bass driver powered speakers for a small room or desktop setup:
301 and 82 are good.
What is a nearby town or zip code I can search for used amplification options? Reply here or chat.
If you want to add Bluetooth and WiFi streaming to the 301 or anything else without those features, Echo Dot $19 with voice or app control. Or Wiim Mini or Pro both add Airplay 2 and Siri, the Pro adds Google Chromecast and Assistant.
More options for $100 less each:
Plus speaker wire, pure copper oxygen free 16 AWG or optional thicker 14 AWG. Then How To Strip Speaker Wire and How to Install Speaker Wire.
AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 is a good value. It has a basic built in phono preamp. It does not have auto stop. However, leaving the stylus running in the run out groove for minutes to even half an hour once in a while won't hurt anything. Or get a Q-Up tonearm lifter if you need it sometimes. Or if falling asleep to the turntable then connect the turntable to a smart outlet to cut the power to the turntable after 30 minutes.
Fluance RT82 $299 has auto stop. It does not have a built in phono preamp which is often preferable since built in phono preamps are usually basic with a $10 parts value, there are many better external options available, and external outside the turntable isolates the phono preamp from the turntable.
If you will not be using the RT82 with an amp or receiver that has a Phono input to a built in phono preamp then you could start with a $14 Pyle PP444 that is around the same quality as the one in the AT-LPW40WN. Or start with or later upgrade to a better $49 or $99 phono preamp if you already have good better than entry level speakers.
Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has for lower wow and flutter and speed variation and the speed won't drift on the RT82 since the sensor is monitoring the speed 400 times a second.
Instead of the AT-LP120X, better value turntables with lower wow and flutter and solid MDF plinths:
Auto stop either built in or add on product (I want to put a record on and slip into a bath, go cook dinner, or otherwise potentially wander off)
Auto stop is a nice convenience to have however leaving the stylus running in the run out groove for 5 to 10 minutes or even 30 to 60 once in a while won't hurt anything and if you do it often then you just replace the stylus somewhat sooner when it wears out. Or add a Q-UP tonearm lifter for when you need it. Or a smart outlet if falling asleep to a record to cut the power to the turntable after 25 minutes.
Turntables:
Is the Denon AV receiver connected to your TV? Do you have more than 2 speakers for movie and TV surround sound?
Phono preamp:
If you have a $500 to $600 upgrade budget you could get the Fluance RT82 plus a speaker upgrade:
Or what is a nearby town or zip code I can search for used options for less cost? Reply here or chat.
Do you have or plan to buy the old 78 shellacs?
Any particular reason for only direct drive?
Direct drive turntables with 3 speeds:
Or consider better value belt drive turntables with 2 speeds that have lower wow and flutter and a solid MDF plinth:
Connect the RT82 or EVO to an amp or receiver that has a Phono input to a built in phono preamp or a $33 Bozak or $65 Art DJ Pre or $99 iFi Zen AIR Phono preamp or there are options with USB output. Even the Bozak should be better than the one buitl into the Audio Technica turntables.
Neither. You can do better buying the turntable and speakers separately.
Turntable:
Better powered speakers with Bluetooth for a smallish size room:
RT80 on sale for $159 is a good value.
RT81 adds a more solid heavier plinth and a better cartrdige and stylus for $199 on sale.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 has lower wow and flutter and an updated cartrdige over the RT81 and an updated stylus over the RT80.
They all have a built in phono preamp to start with if your Yamaha does not have a Phono input to a built in phono preamp
Fluance RT82 $299 is the better Fluance to buy since it adds the optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for lower wow and flutter and speed variation. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Connect it to a phono preamp or directly to the Yamaha if it has a Phono input to a built in phono preamp.
Another turntable option for a good value and $100 less than the Fluance RT82 is the AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 with a built in phono preamp.
Plus speaker amplification without a built in phono preamp:
A better value with better adjustments is the AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 with a built in phono preamp. Optionally now or later upgrade to the E or EN stylus.
The Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop. Includes the OM10 cartridge that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Plus a $49 Technolink or $99 iFi Zen AIR Phono preamp.
If you want a Project then for $500 you can get a much better Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO $449 demo sale plus a $49 Technolink phono preamp.
However any turntable will be limited by a single essentially mono speaker. A pair of speakers will give you stereo separation for good imaging and sound stage.
Speaker Placement Guide: Get The Best Sound From Your Stereo
You don't have to use Bluetooth just because the turntable has Bluetooth. The AT-LP60XBT, just like the AT-LP60X version without Bluetooth, has a 3.5mm analog audio cable output and includes a 3.5mm to RCA audio cable to connect to the pair of Neumi powered speakers or an amp or receiver with passive speakers.
Or if you can return the AT-LP60XBT:
The better lower cost AT-LP3 $249 $199 adds a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force.
Or the even better manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 adds a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force, an updated cartridge, has lower wow and flutter, and adds a solid MDF plinth.
For both turntables, balance the tonearm then set the tracking force.
The Orbit is a downgrade. The Orbit lacks user adjustable anti-skate, lacks a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, lacks a speed switch so you need to move the belt to change the speed, the cue lever is an extra $40 and adding options to increase the cost does not make the turntable itself, the tonearm and motor, any better.
If you do need to get a new turntable instead of fixing your good turntable then turntables that have the features that the Orbit is missing:
The Marshall Stanmore III is a powered tabletop speaker with a built in speaker amp.
Those turntables with built in phono preamps would connect directly to the Stanmore.
Automatic AT-LP60X $149 $105 is easy setup beginner plug and play
Automatic AT-LP3 $249 $199 adds a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force.
Better manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 is a better value than the AT-LP120X, has lower wow and flutter and adds a solid MDF plinth.
The AT-LP60X is decent enough for the Stanmore speaker.
Get the better AT-LP3 or AT-LPW30TK if you plan on a later speaker upgrade to a pair of speakers with stereo separation for good imaging and sound stage.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 with built in phono preamp may be plenty sufficient for a Sonos Five.
Or do you plan on adding a second Sonos Five so you can have stereo music or upgrading to a good pair of home audio speakers?
No.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $199.
If you must have an automatic turntable then the AT-LP3 $249 $199 is a step up from the AT-LP60X but a step down from the AT-LPW30TK.
For either turntable, balance the tonearm, then set the tracking force and anti-skate.
The automatic AT-LP60X $149 $105 is easy setup beginner plug and play if you need that.
Better turntables than the AT-LP60X with a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force should fit on that shelf:
However that shelf may not be very sturdy.
Sturdier Soho turntable stands:
Lower cost stands:
Automatic AT-LP60X $149 $105 is easy setup beginner plug and play.
Manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 has a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force, has lower wow and flutter, an updated cartridge, and a solid MDF plinth. Balance the tonearm then set the tracking force.
The tiny inexpensive $30 Altec Lansing BX1221 computer speakers are not anything good and will be a sound quality bottleneck for the turntable and records however you could start with them until you can get a good pair of home audio speakers. Ideally spend just as much or more on the speakers as on the turntable or buy used speakers for half the cost as new.
A good value are 5.25" mid bass driver Neumi BSP5 $159 powered speakers for a small to medium size room with audio cable input for the turntable and Bluetooth for streaming digital audio.
The R1280DB's are not good speakers. The reason they are often recommended is that they are so cheap that they have pretty much zero competition at that price other that cheap toy PC speaker kits, so it's down to those or plastic trash. They win by default.
And the E25's... those are the cheap plastic toy trash I'm talking about, so definitely don't get those. May as well be listening to a clock radio.
A very important thing you need to understand here is that the speakers are going to make a WAAAAAAAAAAY bigger difference in terms of sound quality than the turntable will. So for $450 total you will simply end up with a bad system if you blow $300 on the turntable. I would strongly suggest you get an Audio-Technica LPW30TK instead. That costs $200 and includes a good cartridge and a built in phono stage... and it's actually made by the same manufacturer as the Fluance. That opens up $250 for speakers, meaning you can actually get something decent. Your records will end up sounding far better than they would on system you have been looking at.
Buy this stuff:
https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LPW30TK-Manual-Belt-Drive-Turntable/dp/B07Q7TBNCM
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-2PWRYfiMueS/p_107MXT15/Polk-Audio-Monitor-XT15.html
https://www.amazon.com/Fosi-Audio-Amplifier-Professional-Speakers/dp/B08MJBG53V
For the RT82 to be worth it, you would want to be working with a total system budget of maybe $750 at the minimum.
hello all,
i am new to the vinyl community and looking to purchase my first turntable. after much consideration, i have settled between the Fluance RT80 and the AT-LPW30TK. i am not sure which one is "better" or i guess more "user-friendly". i was wondering if anyone might be able to speak on their respective experiences with these turntables and potentially point me in the right direction.
notes:
thank you all, i know that was kind of a lot... looking forward to hearing what you all have to say :)
USB is to record the record to your computer.
If you don't need Bluetooth then a better value is the AT-LP60X $149 $105.
If you don't need automatic playback then a better turntable is the manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 that adds a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force, lower wow and flutter, an updated cartridge and a solid MDF plinth. Balance the tonearm then set the tracking force.
If you do need automatic playback then the AT-LP3 $249 $199 adds a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force over the AT-LP60X.
Turntables:
Pass on the older RT81 since the newer improved Fluance RT82 adds the new optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for lower wow and flutter and speed variation and the speed won't drift since the sensor is monitoring the speed 400 times a second.
The entry level AT-LP60X has automatic playback and is easy setup beginner plug and play if those are features you need. If you must have an automatic turntable then the better AT-LP3 $199 adds adjustable tracking force and a removable cartridge. Balance the tonearm and set the tracking force, same as the manual turntables.
If you want an Audio Technica then instead of AT-LP120X, AT-LP60X, AT-LP3, turntables with a solid MDF plinth like the Fluance RT82:
Speakers:
Pass on tiny A2+ with 2.75" mid bass drivers unless they are for desktop use on a small desk.
Pass on Edifier R1280 that will be a sound quality bottleneck for the turntables or they are often paired with the low budget AT-LP60X if your budget is low.
I recommend an amp or stereo receiver and better value $300 to $600 passive speakers on sale for $200.
Amplification with Bluetooth:
For turntable with a built in phono preamp (not the Fluance RT82):
For turntables with or without a built in phono preamp, all the turntable options:
Or is there also a TV in the room to get an AV receiver with HDMI?
Passive speakers on sale:
Or floor standing towers, then you don't need to buy or build speaker stands:
Plus speaker wire, pure copper oxygen free 16 AWG or optional thicker 14 AWG. Then How To Strip Speaker Wire and How to Install Speaker Wire.
Or what is a nearby town or zip code I can search for used receiver and speaker options?
Setup Guide / Signal Path: Turntable > Phono Preamp (separate or built into the turntable or speaker amplification) > Speaker Amplification (separate or built into speakers) > Speakers
Pass on the Orbit since it lacks user adjustable anti-skate, lacks a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, lacks a speed switch so you need to move the belt to the other pulley, the cue lever is an extra $40 and adding options to increase the cost does not make the turntable itself, the motor and tonearm, any better.
Turntables that have the features that the Orbit is lacking and include a cue lever:
Do you already have speaker amplification and speakers?
Or a great value to start with if you are looking for a simple 2 part setup:
Turntables:
Plus starter powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable and Bluetooth for streaming digital audio:
Well, you could go one of two ways for the amplifier. If space is at a premium and you don't think you would ever move to a further away listening situation than this, you could go with a compact amp like an Aiyima D03 or Loxjie A30. Those would have enough power for listening at those distances unless you're really trying to crank it. And if you'd prefer a full-sized amplifier, look at the Onkyo TX-8220 which sells as a factory refurb for $200. All of these amps have built-in bluetooth... though they do have different codec support. If you have an iOS device, you want AAC support, which the D03 and the Onkyo have but the Loxjie does not. And if you have an Android device, I think AptX is the preferred codec over AAC (maybe an Android user can correct me there if I'm wrong), and only the D03 has that.
If you're shopping used though... see if you can find an Onkyo A-9010 for sale locally. That was a truly awesome price/performance amp that got discontinued a few years ago and it would beat any of the options above. It doesn't have BT, but that doesn't really matter... you can always buy a BT receiver puck for like $25 on Monoprice, and that will have better codec support than the above options anyway.
Which Victrola turntable do you have btw? If you have one of the super cheap ones with the red stylus and no adjustable tracking force... those things are dreadful, and they will put a lot of wear on your records. So another option here would be to fit a turntable upgrade into the mix as well:
https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LPW30TK-Manual-Belt-Drive-Turntable/dp/B07Q7TBNCM $200
https://www.musicdirect.com/equipment/speakers/wharfedale-diamond-225-bookshelf-speakers-pair $300
No. The cheap speakers are the weakest part and sound quailty bottleneck. Buy a turntable and better speakers separately.
Your budget is $230 or higher at $300 or $400?
Under $400 setup:
If you can increase your budget by $45, AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 on sale.
Turntable and speakers setups starting at $115:
Starter turntables:
Or the manual AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 adds adjustable tracking force over the AT-LP60X. Balance the tonearm then set the tracking force.
Plus compact powered speakers with Bluetooth for a smallish size room from basic to better:
Or larger 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 with Bluetooth for a small to medium size room.
Decent enough turntables to start with if low on budget:
Next step up is the AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 that adds adjustable tracking force over the AT-LP60X.
Plus compact powered speakers with Bluetooth if you also need speakers for a smallish size room.
Or larger 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 with Bluetooth for a small to medium size room.
If you want lower cost than the AT-LP60X then the VPRO 3100 $99 $49 is an option.
Next worthwhile step up above the automatic AT-LP60X is the manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $199.
Pass on the Orbit that lacks user adjustable anti-skate, lacks a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, lacks a speed switch so you need to move the belt to change the speed and the cue lever is an extra $40.
Turntables that have the features that the Orbit is missing and include a cue lever:
What is your budget?
AT-LP60X $149 $105 on sale is fully automatic and is easy setup beginner plug and play.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 on sale is a manual turntable that is a step up from the Crosley C6 for not too much more cost and adds adjustable tracking force over the AT-LP60X, has lower wow and flutter, has an updated cartridge and adds a solid MDF plinth. Balance the tonearm then set the tracking force.
Do you already have speakers?
The G-Boom has 3.5mm Aux input so you don't need to pay more to have a Bluetooth transmitter in the turntable.
AT-LP60X $88 > 3.5mm to 3.5mm aux audio cable $6 > G-Boom speaker.
Or a better automatic turntable that costs less than the $219 AT-LP60XBT: AT-LP3 $165 adds adjustable tracking force.
Or a better manual turntable for the same $219 cost of AT-LP60XBT: AT-LPW30TK $219.
Or for the cost of the $219 AT-LP60X you could get the AT-LP60X and a pair of powered speakers with Bluetooth:
If it's free and working then it's decent enough to start with. It's better than a cheap suitcase or all in one. You could then upgrade later to an AT-LP120X. Or AT-LPW30TK $199 or Fluance RT82 both add a solid MDF plinth and have lower wow and flutter over the AT-LP120X.
Also it's best to install a new stylus on a used turntable. You already have speakers to use with the Pioneer?
What is the AT-LP60 not doing for you? Are you looking for better sound quality? Then what model speakers do you have, what is the rest of your setup? If you have basic entry level speakers then upgrade the speakers first for the most increase in sound quality since the AT-LP60 would not be the bottleneck and could last through a basic to better speaker upgrade.
Technics SL-QD35 should have a better tonearm for better tracking and a better motor for lower wow and flutter and speed variation than the AT-LP60. The P mount has limited cartridge options however it's fine to start with or use for many years.
A Fluance turntable gives you a half inch standard mount headshell. The older RT81 is not worth buying anymore since the newer upgraded RT82 for $50 more adds a $100 increase in performance and component value because it adds the new optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for much lower wow and flutter and speed variation and the speed won't drift since the sensor is monitoring the speed 400 times a second.
Or for a lower cost the AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 has a bit lower wow and flutter than the AT-LP60 and Fluance RT81.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 has a built in phono preamp. Optionally at some point or when the included AT-VMN95C stylus wears out and it's time to replace it upgrade to the $49 AT-VMN95E or $99 AT-VMN95EN stylus.
Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop and then an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for low wow and flutter and speed variation. Includes the OM10 cartridge that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Plus a phono preamp, $99 iFi Zen AIR Phono.
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Desktop Speaker Placement: Pitch-perfect Placement: How to Set Up Your Desktop Speakers and Get Those Speakers Off Your Desktop.
Good price for a used $350 AT-LP120X and used $140 speakers for a total $500 value if you want compact 4" mid bass driver speakers for a small room or desktop setup. A new AT-VMN95E stylus is $50 if you need to replace the stylus now or later. Optionally add WiFi streaming and Bluetooth to the speakers by connecting a $25 Echo Dot.
Or for around $110 more a new turntable with a new stylus, a solid MDF plinth, lower wow and flutter plus a warranty. Plus 4" speakers that add Bluetooth or larger 5.25" speakers for a medium size room.
Turntable: AT-LPW30TK $329 $199.
Powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth for streaming digital music:
If you can increase your budget to $360:
Turntable: AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 with a built in phono preamp.
Plus powered speakers with wired RCA audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth for streaming digital music:
Turntables and speakers starting at $81 and $127.
Better turntable: AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 has a built in phono preamp.
Plus any of the better powered speakers or an amp or receiver and better passive speakers.
If getting powered speakers:
The larger 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 are worth waiting for.
Or smaller 4" Klipsch KD-400 $329 $159 for a small room or desktop setup.
Or what is a nearby town or zip code I can search for used speaker options? Reply here or chat.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 turntable with built in phono preamp
AIYIMA A07 Pro $89 amp with Bluetooth.
Passive speakers on sale:
Or floor standing towers, then you don't need to buy or build speaker stands if you don't already have any:
Plus speaker wire, pure copper oxygen free 16 AWG. Then How To Strip Speaker Wire and How to Install Speaker Wire.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 (sold out for $175 at AT outlet) with built in phono preamp to 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 powered speakers with Bluetooth is a good value to start with.
Basic starter setup:
Better setup:
I’m able to put the needle up and down with a switch after placing it where I want.
That's a cue lever. Most manual turntables do have one that you flip down to gently lower the stylus onto the record for you so you don't need to place the stylus onto the record yourself. Then when the record ends or even after 5 to 10 minutes you flip the cue lever up to have the stylus lifted off the record for you so you can return the tonearm to the tonearm rest so you can then flip or change the record.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 on sale is a good value to start with and has a built in phono preamp.
Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop if you think you need it. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Connect the RT82 to a phono preamp or an amp or receiver with a Phono input.
Plus another $200 or $300 for speakers? Or what is your total turntable and speaker budget?
Speakers, scroll down past the turntables.
Starter options, plus better options in bold.
Turntables:
Automatic:
Better manual turntables, balance the tonearm then set the tracking force:
Speakers:
Powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable, a digital optical input and Bluetooth for streaming music:
Compact 4" mid bass driver speakers for a small room or a desktop setup
Larger 5.25" mid bass driver speakers for a small to medium size room:
For $200 I would strongly suggest this over the Orbit Basic.
https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LPW30TK-Manual-Belt-Drive-Turntable/dp/B07Q7TBNCM
It has a better cartridge (meaning better sound), adjustable anti-skate (the Orbit doesn’t have that), a threaded counterweight (the Orbit has a non-threaded one, meaning you need to buy a separate scale if you want to adjust your tracking force), a metal platter (the Orbit has a wood chipboard platter), electronic speed adjustment (you change the speed with a switch rather than having to manually move the belt between pulleys, which wears out the belt)… and it has a built in phono preamp (the Orbit doesn’t unless you pay $70 more), meaning more of your budget opens up since you don’t have to fit in a separate preamp.
For the speakers… get these.
https://www.musicdirect.com/equipment/speakers/wharfedale-diamond-225-bookshelf-speakers-pair
And a small amplifier to power them.
https://www.amazon.com/AIYIMA-A07-TPA3255-Amplifier-Digital/dp/B08CJZGT6H/ref=asc_df_B08CJZGT6H
Those speakers are AWESOME for the money. For the $365 these cost together you aren’t going to do better.
Turntables listed below that add at least the good white AT diamond tip stylus on an MM moving magnet cartridge connected to an RIAA phono preamp, all of which cheap suitcases and all in ones lack.
Starter options:
Better options:
Orbit Plus with built in phono preamp $399 without the $40 cue lever?
Turntables that add a speed switch, add adjustable anti-skate, add a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment and include a cue lever:
Under $400 two component setup: AT-LPW30TK $195 turntable with built in phono preamp plus 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth.
Which model headphones?
Will you also be listening with speakers?
Turntable > headphone amp or a speaker amp or receiver that has a headphone jack or a few models of powered speakers have a headphone jack > wired headphones.
Buying a turntable online on sale will cost less:
They all have analog audio cable output. It shouldn't matter if a turntable also has USB or Bluetooth output since you just don't use those outputs if you don't want to.
Plus a headphone amp with RCA output to connect to powered speakers or an amp or receiver and passive speakers.
The AT-LP60X $149 $105 on sale is a starter fully automatic turntable that is easy setup beginner plug and play.
The Dual is a vintage turntable from the early 80s that has a better motor, a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force, adjustable anti-skate and a removable cartridge.
Or a new manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 is a good value on sale and includes a warranty.
More turntables plus speakers.
Which city can I search for a used stereo receiver and speakers? Reply here or chat.
Nah. AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 on sale has lower wow and flutter, adds a solid MDF plinth, includes a new stylus, and includes a warranty.
AT-LP60X $149 $105 is fully automatic and is easy setup beginner plug and play. It's a component turntable, it's not an all in one with speakers built in.
Do you already have speakers to use with the turntable?
Or does your $200 budget need to include the turntable and speakers?
AT-LPW30TK $299 $195 if your budget is $200 for just the turntable is a better manual turntable that adds a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force, an updated cartridge and a solid MDF plinth.
The U-Turn Orbit is available in some color options and starts at $199 however a cue lever is $40 extra and it does not include a built in phono preamp that the above Audio Technica models have. If not using an amp or receiver with a Phono input to a built in phono preamp you could start with a $33 Bozak instead of the higher cost U-Turn options.
Turntables:
Automatic:
Better and manual with adjustable tracking force:
Speakers:
Powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth for streaming music:
5.25" mid bass driver Neumi BSP5 $159 for a small to medium size room.
4" mid bass driver speakers for a small room or desktop setup and both add a subwoofer output:
Pass on the Orbit that lacks user adjustable anti-skate, lacks a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, lacks a speed switch so you need to move the belt to the other pulley which can sometimes have issues, the cue lever is another $40 and adding options to increase the cost does not make the turntable itself, the tonearm and motor, any better.
Turntables with the features that the Orbit is missing:
Or $105 AT-LP60X if you don't need Bluetooth?
Or for $20 less than the AT-LP60XBT, better turntables that add adjustable tracking force:
Triangle Borea BR02 BT powered speakers for $699?
Fully automatic turntables:
Better manual turntable:
They all have a built in phono preamp so you can connect them directly to powered speakers or to an amp or receiver and passive speakers.
The turntable mechanism is ok, the built in speakers are the weak spot, essentially mono with no stereo separation.
Separate turntables and better speakers:
Turntable:
Plus $79 to $159 powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth for streaming digital music:
Compact 4" mid bass driver speakers for a small room or a desktop setup:
Larger 5.25" mid bass driver speakers for a small to medium size room:
The Sony isn't much better than the AT-LP60X $105 on sale for almost half the cost. They are both automatic turntables that are easy setup beginner plug and play and lack adjustable tracking force.
A better turntable for the same cost of the Sony is the manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 that has a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force, lower wow and flutter, an updated cartrdige, and a solid MDF plinth. Balance the tonearm then set the tracking force and anti-skate.
The Kali are great pro studio monitors. Are you looking at pro studio monitors instead of home audio speakers because you will also be using them for recording, mixing or producing music in a home studio? Unified volume control for studio monitors would require a level controller, a mixer, a monitor controller or stereo preamp connected between the monitors and turntable.
Home audio powered speakers such as Neumi BSP5 for example have a single volume control for both speakers plus a remote control and connect directly to a turntable that has a built in phono preamp. Or connect the turntable to a stereo or AV receiver or mini or compact or integrated amp and a pair of passive speakers.
Home Audio Setup Guide / Signal Path
More Audio Guides.
I know people asking for advice on buying turntables probably gets old
That is what this thread is for!
But, if this turntable is unlikely to last all that long, I'd rather replace it now while I can get a full refund and order something that will give better results for a longer period of time.
It may last as long as other turntables that cost around $250.
However you can get a turntable with lower wow and flutter, a better tonearm, and an upgraded stylus or cartridge for $50 less, the same price or $50 more:
Plus better powered speakers:
Or if you like Edifiers, a step up from the R1280T:
Or a mini amp and passive speakers, scroll down past the turntables and powered speakers, are an option if you don't want a full size integrated amp or stereo receiver.
Turntables:
Speakers:
Starter powered speakers:
Better speakers and separate amplification:
Amplification for the AT-LPW30TK:
Amplification with a built in phono preamp for the Fluance RT82:
Plus passive speakers on sale:
Or floor standing towers, then you don't need to buy or build speaker stands:
Plus speaker wire, pure copper oxygen free 16 AWG or optional thicker 14 AWG. Then How To Strip Speaker Wire and How to Install Speaker Wire.
Which model subwoofer?
Location I can search for used upgrade options?
Turntable:
Amplification with a built in phono preamp or upgrade to an external one:
Optional phono preamp to add now or later:
No. Pass at that price and pass on the small 3.5" mid bass driver desktop speakers.
Same turntable $105.
Better larger 5.25" speakers $159.
Or.
Better turntable $199.
Plus also larger basic 5.25" speakers $75 then later upgrade to better speakers when you can.
Or.
Get the better turntable and better speakers $359 total.
Turntable: AT-LPW30TK $329 $195.
Speakers: If you can wait until July, 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable and Bluetooth for digital streaming audio.
Or a mini amp plus passive speakers plus speaker wire.
Or do you have a larger budget for speakers?
Or what is a nearby town or zip code I can search for used speaker options? Reply here or chat.
That's not worth $300 and connect the turntable to speakers with an audio cable, not Bluetooth.
If you need to stay low budget then $115 to $140 options that are decent enough to start with:
Over $200 options:
Turntable:
Speakers for a small room or desktop setup:
Larger 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 for a small to medium sizer room.
KEF LSX powered speakers are rather good.
Rega are a good value in the UK but are pricey in the USA.
Pass on the Project E1 and T1 that are their entry level models that are beginner plug and play however they lack user adjustable anti-skate and lack a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment.
A better Project worth buying is the Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO $599, or $431 open box sale in red or white.
Or if you like the Beetles, Project Essential III $249 on sale:
Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better.
Plus for any of the above turntables a starter Bozak $33 phono preamp and upgrade later or start with a better iFi Zen AIR $99 phono preamp. Plus a RCA to 3.5mm audio cable to connect to the main KEF powered speaker.
Turntables with a built in phono preamp to connect directly to the main KEF powered speaker via an RCA to 3.5mm audio cable:
What is your budget for a turntable and speakers? Under $200, $400 or more?
Looking for lowest budget options?
Turntables:
Plus compact powered speakers for a smallish size room:
No remote:
With remote:
Or better turntables and speakers:
Plus powered speakers:
Turntable: AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 has a built in phono preamp and then a cue lever to gently lower the stylus onto the record for you.
Speakers: 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 with a built in speaker amp, audio cable input for the turntable and Bluetooth for digital music.
Turntable: AT-LPW30TK $329 $199.
Plus powered speakers with audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth for streaming audio.
Or better used options:
Or passive speakers and a used stereo receiver:
Used, compare to buying new speakers for over twice the price:
Towers, then you don't need to buy stands:
Or stand mount speakers with included stands are a good value:
Or more stand mount speakers:
Plus a stereo receiver to power the passive speakers:
Optionally add Bluetooth $22 or better WiFi Streaming with voice or app control + Bluetooth $22 or Airplay 2 with Siri + WiFi + Bluetooth $85.
Or an integrated amp with Bluetooth:
Plus speaker wire, pure copper oxygen free 16 AWG or optional thicker 14 AWG. Then How To Strip Speaker Wire and How to Install Speaker Wire.
Or a $40 starter setup with small speakers for a small room https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/ele/d/west-chester-small-inexpensive-stereo/7602743790.html optionally add Bluetooth or WiFi or Airplay 2 from above.
Turntable and speakers setups starting at $115:
Turntable:
Plus powered speakers with Bluetooth:
The older RT81 is not worth buying anymore since the newer upgraded RT82 for $50 more adds a $100 increase in performance and component value because it adds the new optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for much lower wow and flutter and speed variation and the speed won't drift since the sensor is monitoring the speed 400 times a second. The RT82 includes the OM10 cartrdige that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red on the RT83 so there is not much reason to get the RT83.
If you want lower cost then the AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 with a built in phono preamp instead of the RT80 or RT81.
Total budget is $600?
Options with powered speakers under $400 or around $500:
Separate amplification and passive speakers allows you to later upgrade one part at a time.
Connect either turntable to a mini amp or stereo or AV receiver:
Passive speakers on sale in or over budget:
Or over budget floor standing towers, however then you don't need to buy or build speaker stands:
Plus speaker wire, pure copper oxygen free 16 AWG or optional thicker 14 AWG. Then How To Strip Speaker Wire and How to Install Speaker Wire.
Pass on the Yamaha R-S202 and 4" Klipsch R-41M speakers.
Or what is your location I can search for used options? Reply here or chat.
Which part of NC Craigslist or what is a nearby zip code to radius search?
Low budget $115 to $140 options that are decent enough to start with:
Over $200 options:
Turntable:
Speakers for a small room or desktop setup:
Larger 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 for a small to medium sizer room.
A turntable needs a stylus and cartrdige.
New cartridge and stylus if it's missing the cartridge. The special included the 2M Red. Or the AT-VM95E is a better value. Install then do a cartridge alignment. Or worst case send it back to U-Turn to install and align a new cartrdige.
The special is basically their $200 turntable plus the $100 cartrdige. Then a $100 upgrade to a solid wood plinth from MDF and the $85 upgrade to the acrylic platter from MDF, both mostly for looks then any or much difference in sound.
Does it include their built in or external phono preamp?
The Orbit lacks user adjustable anti-skate, lacks a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment and lacks a speed switch so you need to move the belt to the other pulley to change the speed which sometimes has issues.
Turntables that have user adjustable anti-skate, have a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, have a speed switch, have a new cartridge and stylus installed and include a warranty:
AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 has a built in phono preamp.
Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop. Includes the OM10 cartridge that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better.
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Nice $1000+ speakers! The quailty EVO would be a nice complement to them if you already have records and will be playing them often.
If no records and you are not sure how often you will use the turntable then the Fluance RT82 is a good turntable to start with.
Or even the AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 on sale is also a good value to start with. Optionally install the $49 AT-VMN95E or $99 AT-VMN95EN stylus.
I’m a beginner here, and I wanna get a new setup for $250 (or under), and I’ve come to 2 options
There’s this Angel’s Horn that comes with speakers for $250
And this Audio Technica that doesn’t for $200
If anyone has a third alternative within that budget it would also be much appreciated
I’m aware that overall, the Audio Technica is a better table overall in terms of manufacturing and quality and such, but I’m on a budget. IDK if I’ll need an amp for either (will I?) but I’m not sure if I can get a good speaker for the audio technica for $50. I’m not an audiophile, I just want to start a vinyl collection and be able to actually play the records. I’ve watched multiple reviews applauding the Angel’s Horn, and I’ve seen a few posts here of people happy with it, but I don’t wanna run into issues later on. The included speakers are ok-ish, but they can be directly replaced later.
I know I’ve been asking a lot of questions lately, some of which could seem quite naïve to some of you more experienced folks, but I’d appreciate any thoughts or advice
edit: I browsed eBay for both and there arent any cheaper listings (except $5-10 less)
Good quailty good value starter setup:
Turntable: AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 has a built in phono preamp.
Speakers: 5.25" Neumi BSP5 $159 have a built in speaker amp with audio cable input for the turntable plus Bluetooth for streaming audio.
Separate components:
Turntable: Fluance RT82 $299 has auto stop. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better.
Stereo Receiver: Onkyo TX-8220 $199 has a built in phono preamp.
Passive speakers on sale:
Or floor standing towers, then you don't need to buy or build speaker stands:
Plus speaker wire, pure copper oxygen free 16 AWG or optional thicker 14 AWG. Then How To Strip Speaker Wire and How to Install Speaker Wire.
Or look for a used stereo or AV receiver and a pair of used passive speakers. What is a Craigslist or nearby zip code to search? Reply here or chat.
Might be more then you want to spend,but this one is a good start
Which part of Craigslist Ohio or a nearby town or zip code to radius search for used options? Start with the speakers first along with the turntable. Reply here or chat.
AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 is a better value than the Fluance.
The older Fluance RT81 is not worth buying anymore since the newer improved Fluance RT82 for $50 more adds a $100 increase in performance and component value since it adds the new optical sensor speed controlled motor for much lower wow and flutter and speed variation and the speed won't drift since the sensor is monitoring the speed 400 times a second. The RT82 includes the OM10 cartridge that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better.
Pass on the Stanton since it has a short DJ tonearm which is not so good for home listening and your records and do not put an elliptical tip stylus on it.
Pass on the Orbit that lacks user adjustable anti-skate, lacks a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment, lacks a speed switch so you need to move the belt to the other pulley to change the speed, the cue lever is an extra $40 and adding options to increase the cost does not make the turntable itself, the tonearm and motor, any better.
AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 is a good value upgrade.
Fluance RT82 $299 adds auto stop. Includes the OM10 cartridge that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better.
Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO $449 demo sale has better quality components.
The AT-LP3X is good to start with or use for many years and is a great value for FREE!
Next step up is the manual AT-LPW30TK $329 $199 that costs less and is a better value than the manual AT-LP5X, AT-LP120X, AT-LPW40 and AT-LPW50.
The stylus is replaceable on the AT-LP60, just the cartridge is not.
What is the rest of your setup that the AT-LP60 is connected to?
Fluance RT82 $299 has auto stop and then an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for lower wow and flutter and speed variation and the speed won't drift since the sensor is monitoring the speed 400 times a second to always play at the correct speed. Includes the OM10 cartridge that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better. Plus a $49 Technolink phono preamp if not using a receiver or amp that has a phono input.
AT-LPW30TK $249 $199 is a good value with a built in phono preamp and also may have the same or similar speed sensor as the Fluance and they may both be made in the same factory in China.
If you are looking for an increase in sound quailty then upgrade the speakers first since the Edifiers while they are a good value to start with are the sound quailty bottleneck, not the AT-LP60X turntable which will last through a speaker upgrade.
If you are looking at a $400 turntable upgrade then first upgrade to a $400 or more amp or receiver and speaker upgrade or buy used for half the cost of new. What is a nearby town or zip I can search? Reply here or chat.
New examples: Onkyo TX-8220 $199 stereo receiver with a built in phono preamp and larger better 6.5" Monolith Encore B6 $358 $191 pair passive speakers on sale.
The AT-LP60X is an automatic turntable. The T1 is a manual turntable. However like the AT-LP60X the T1 is easy setup beginner plug and play and lacks user adjustable anti-skate. The T1 does add a removable cartrdige and adjustable tracking force however the tracking force adjustment lacks a rotary dial.
If you want a Project then the better one to get is the Pro-ject Debut Carbon EVO $449 demo sale.
Or lower cost options that are a better value than the T1 and like the EVO also add a rotary dial on the tracking force adjustment and have user adjustable anti-skate:
AT-LPW30TK $249 $199.
Which model amplification and speakers will the turntable be connected to?
If you have $300 speakers then a $200 to $300 turntable is plenty good.
If you have or will plan to upgrade to $600+ speakers then sure go for the $600 turntable.
Turntables:
The automatic AT-LP3XBT is not really worth $299 since you can get a better manual with auto stop Fluance RT82 for the same price or you can get the previous version automatic AT-LP3 for $199.
AT-LP60X $149 $105 has automatic playback is easy setup beginner plug and play if you need those features.
AT-LP3 $249 $199 has automatic playback and has a better tonearm with adjustable tracking force.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 is a better manual turntable with lower wow and flutter and a solid MDF plinth.
Fluance RT82 $299 is manual with auto stop. Pass on the older RT80 and RT81 that lack the new speed sensor that the RT82 has. Pass on the RT83 since the cartridge is not any better.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $195.
Do you already have speakers?
$360 for a good value to start with:
$750+:
Turntables:
Amplification with a built in phono stage preamp for the RT82 or EVO:
Plus passive speakers on sale:
Or floor standing towers, then you don't need to buy or build speaker stands:
Plus speaker wire, pure copper oxygen free 16 AWG or optional thicker 14 AWG. Then How To Strip Speaker Wire and How to Install Speaker Wire.
Even under $150 won't damage your records.
AT-LPW30TK $329 $195 is a lower cost alternative.
AT-LP3 $249 $199 is $100 less than the AT-LP3XBT if you did need fully automatic.
The phono preamp in the Onkyo may be sufficient for the Model Six speakers. Or try a $99 iFi Zen AIR Phono if you plan on a speaker upgrade now or later.
Speakers, scroll down to Monolith, Polk or Wharfedale or Monolith towers on sale. Or what is a nearby location I can search for used options?