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Marc-le-Half-Fool /r/kundalini
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1970-01-20 02:59:42.482 +0000 UTC

You are apparently correct, /u/learner1314 in noting that unlike other yogis from former generations, Bhajan was never seen actually DOING yoga.

That info is corroborated by some of his ex-followers and former members of 3HO families who left the cult, and some active researchers.

After reading about it, memory confirmed I'd never seen a video of him actually doing much of anything, but I haven't seen many.

And why were his yoga prowess never showcased in public?

You cannot showcase what you lack.

For more on Bhajan and the cult he created, see the following which is but the tip of the iceberg.


Please note that this sub is not about Kundalini Yoga (KY), and especially not about that kind of KY taught by the one who was called Harbajan Singh Puri, aka Yogi Bhajan. KYYB / KYatbYB.

Please see Rule 9

This sub cannot support such a fraud-based raping and violent cult culture in any way. Not until they've done a profound healing, which may or may not happen. Recent communications from the main orgs demonstrates that they are going backwards, not forwards. UPDATE - the latest comms suggest that maybe they've stopped going backwards.

If one considers the research and writings that explain the major problems with KYYB groups, one cannot reasonably be interested in that system.

Here are some of those sources:

Please do watch both videos in that linked article. (One is audio only and very short, and reveals how Bhajan blamed women for their own rapes.)

  • The "Beyond the Birdcage", a [closed Facebook group](www.facebook.com/groups/premka/) of departed students and teachers from their cult, (their word, not mine) shows a sizeable magnitude of disgusting behaviours by those still teaching it, consistent to Bhajan's behaviours. The Facebook group consists of over 6000 members at this time. That's not a small group of unhappy customers! Some have burned their books. Others brought them to the dump. Others have passed them forward.

  • The scholarly peer-reviewed research by Philip Deslippe demonstrates how made up and fraudulent the whole thing was, and thus is. The man Bhajan referred to himself as a yogi, yet no one remembers him ever demonstrating any yogic postures. The Kriyas he did tell them about, he never ever repeated a lesson twice: A reliable sign of a compulsive liar making it up as he goes along, covering his tracks. Philip's more recent article is Here

  • There are further interviews and talks by Philip easily found on YouTube with a search.

  • Former secretary to Bhajan Pamela Sahara Dyson's wrote a book about her time with Bhajan, and is writing a memoir. https://www.premkamemoir.com/

  • Pamela's book about her time with Bhajan is called Premka: White Bird in a Golden Cage. It's available on Amazon, etc.

  • Gursant Singh, Former security and driver to Bhajan wrote a memoir too, which corroborates much of the story and claims by Pamela. It's available on Amazon USA HERE It's called: Confessions of an American Sikh: Locked up in India, corrupt cops & my escape from a "New Age" tantric yoga cult!

  • Then there is an entire book discrediting and criticising Bhajan from the perspective of the Sikh religion. Trilochan Singh is the author who claims that what Bhajan taught wasn't Sikhism at all. His book is available at the Internet Archive Trilochan's son is apparently working on a followup book.

  • Lastly, a very recent (Spring 2021) and thorough website that combines ALL the existing resources describing the problems abuses, rapes etc, plus a huge selection of interviews of victims, personal accounts, news articles about the KYatbYB groups all in one place is https://abuse-in-kundalini-yoga.com/

A channel on YT describes more of the historical and ongoing problems. Explore the channel too not just this vid. https://redd.it/spj543

In Apr 2022, Vice released this documentary. LINK The Premka FB group has the latest YouTube link with better audio quality. The video is not publically searchable.


If you want to do KYatbYB-based methods after informing yourself on these materials, you go right ahead. It's a free world. To act without informing yourself may mean you fall prey to a cult. The word cult is used by those who were former members of it.

We in this sub community cannot recommend that incorrect spiritual system. Thank you for your understanding.

If you are a member of another Kundalini Yoga culture, it's important to know about the above as the Bhajan-based system is by far the most popular, and has been teaching that they're the only ones that exist since about 1969. It's also important to consider stating that you ask from a non-Bhajan yoga system.

Cheers!

Marc-le-Half-Fool /r/kundalini
1 point
1970-01-20 02:27:19.755 +0000 UTC

My true request was to see if anyone in this Sub-Reddit would be willing to type or write a signed statement stating the burden the strict grooming policy may place on my practice of Kundalini Yoga.

Oh? What specific burden might that be, /u/Learningallican_ ?

"Dear Officer of the Watch. Please revoke this person's leave for the next 5 times for their blatant disrespect of the service." Oh, is that not quite right? Hehe.

First of all, you're claiming something which is basically a lie. Tell the truth!

Second, the sub ISN'T about KY. See below the line for clarifications and explanations.

If you're joining the military or police service, wear the uniform.

There's no uniform for the various Kundalini Yogas of the world. While DOING Kundalini Yoga, some groups, especially culty ones, have a habit or superstition that wearing white helps them in some way. To the best of my limited knowledge, they do not wear white all the time.

Seriously - if you wish to be a part of some professional group, whether it be the Air Force or another branch, stop pretending that you won't wear their uniform for fake reasons. You disrespect all who wear the uniform and all those who have servesd and serve presently, and make yourself look like an arrogant arse with no honour. You'll just get a mess of extra push-ups!

Your lack of integrity is telling of your character, and speaks of inadequate training with respect to Kundalini, and unfulfilled development.

Some yogic groups have beliefs about hair length. Some of those are superstitions too. However, if YOU believe you stuff enough, then make a choice to not join the group requiring uniform and grooming. Simple.

If it's too late, it's too late. Once you've served your commision, then you can relax your grooming and wear whatever you want. You can also do so when on leave.

Please do note that this sub is watched by various intel groups, and your request will get noted. Whether anyone will act upon it is doubtful. YOU are the one being tested and trained. Not them. However, if there ever are any issues, they'll bring the note up and say bingo!


Please note that this sub is not about Kundalini Yoga (KY), and especially not about that kind of KY taught by the one who was called Harbajan Singh Puri, aka Yogi Bhajan. KYYB / KYatbYB.

That happens to have been the more popular form due to an exploitative manipulative cult.

Please our sub's see Rule 9 Thanks.

This sub cannot support such a fraud-based raping and violent cult culture in any way. Not until they've done a profound healing, which may or may not happen. Recent communications from the main orgs demonstrates that they are going backwards, not forwards. UPDATE - the latest comms suggest that maybe they've stopped going backwards. Severe external pressure including a short documentary or the first in a series on NETFLIX has them finally bending.

If one considers the research and writings that explain the major problems with KYYB groups, one cannot reasonably be interested in that system.

Here are some of those sources:

Please do watch both videos in that linked article. (One is audio only and very short, and reveals how Bhajan blamed women for their own rapes - a rather sure sign of s sociopath.)

  • The "Beyond the Birdcage", a [closed Facebook group](www.facebook.com/groups/premka/) of departed students and teachers from their cult, (their word, not mine) shows a sizeable magnitude of disgusting behaviours by those still teaching it, consistent to Bhajan's behaviours. The Facebook group consists of over 6000 members at this time. That's not a small group of unhappy customers! Some have burned their books. Others brought them to the dump. Others have passed them forward.

  • The scholarly peer-reviewed research by Philip Deslippe demonstrates how made up and fraudulent the whole thing was, and thus is. The man Bhajan referred to himself as a yogi, yet no one remembers him ever demonstrating any yogic postures. The Kriyas he did tell them about, he never ever repeated a lesson twice: A reliable sign of a compulsive liar making it up as he goes along, covering his tracks. Philip's more recent article is Here

  • There are further interviews and talks by Philip easily found on YouTube with a search.

  • Former secretary to Bhajan Pamela Sahara Dyson's wrote a book about her time with Bhajan, and is writing a memoir. https://www.premkamemoir.com/

  • Pamela's book about her time with Bhajan is called Premka: White Bird in a Golden Cage. It's available on Amazon, etc.

  • Gursant Singh, Former security and driver to Bhajan wrote a memoir too, which corroborates much of the story and claims by Pamela. It's available on Amazon USA HERE It's called: Confessions of an American Sikh: Locked up in India, corrupt cops & my escape from a "New Age" tantric yoga cult!

  • Then there is an entire book discrediting and criticising Bhajan from the perspective of the Sikh religion. Trilochan Singh is the author who claims that what Bhajan taught wasn't Sikhism at all. His book is available at the Internet Archive Trilochan's son is apparently working on a followup book.

  • Lastly, a very recent (Spring 2021) and thorough website that combines ALL the existing resources describing the problems abuses, rapes etc, plus a huge selection of interviews of victims, personal accounts, news articles about the KYatbYB groups all in one place is https://abuse-in-kundalini-yoga.com/

    A channel on YT describes more of the historical and ongoing problems. Explore the channel too not just this vid. https://redd.it/spj543

In Apr 2022, Vice released this documentary. LINK The Premka FB group has the latest YouTube link with better audio quality. The video is not publically searchable.


If you want to do KYatbYB-based methods after informing yourself on these materials, you go right ahead. It's a free world. To act without informing yourself may mean you fall prey to a cult. The word cult is used by those who were former members of it.

We in this sub community cannot recommend that incorrect spiritual system. Thank you for your understanding.

If you are a member of another Kundalini Yoga culture, it's important to know about the above as the Bhajan-based system is by far the most popular, and has been teaching that they're the only ones that exist since about 1969. It's also important to consider stating that you ask from a non-Bhajan yoga system if that is your case.

Cheers!