There are some that are alright. I use 5 cases of swings (2 clearand 3 brown) and these particular ones are good. I can't speak to other ones. I use these to carb up booch mainly. 16 oz and way more robust than standard long necks, I wouldn't blink at doing 4 volumes in that. They use silicone gasket so I use crowns for beers and mead under crown/cork.